Cold weather, Engine valve tapping - Acura Forum : Acura Forums

1st Gen RL Forum for the 1996-2004 Acura RL

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 01-30-04, 02:44 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Jamaica, NY
Posts: 18
Question Cold weather, Engine valve tapping

what's up all, I have a 98' RL with ~67K miles. (I love it) I have been noticing, when I start the car in cold weather, (NYC 0-36) I here what i think is my valves tapping.

has anyone else noticed this?
and is this something I should be concered about.

I us the recommended weight for oil, (Castrol Synteck motor oil) with fram oil filiters. I change the oil religiously @ 2500 Miles. (only cause all my life i been trained to change my oil like that)

Anyway I only here the tapping at ~ 700-1800 rpm. does anyone have any idea what this could be?

T.Kemp
The Tax Man Commeth!!!
"...I'm sorry Officer, I thought there was a new Speed limit"
dabigdawg is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 12 Old 01-30-04, 07:02 PM
Cruisin'
 
Kilroy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: All Around You
Age: 46
Posts: 149
First off, do NOT buy FRAM oil filters. They are the worst filters on the market, I wouldn't put one on my 1980 Mustang winter car. Look here:

http://www.scuderiaciriani.com/rx7/oil_filter_study/

As for your sound, I also have a '98 and it has 118000 miles on it. I started it two nights ago at -40C with no tapping or ticking, but I have recently posted a thread about a sound similar to it and it only happens at the low RPM/throttle position range.

Does your sound only happen when first starting and then it goes away? If so, your oil may be taking a little longer to start flowing (oil pump dying?) and it may well be the lifters/valves you are hearing. An Acura tech should be able to tell you if it is the lifters/valves right away, but the car would be well warmed up by the time you drove it there and reproducing the sound could be troublesome. Contact your area Acura dealer and speak with a tech, couldn't hurt.
Kilroy is offline  
post #3 of 12 Old 01-30-04, 07:34 PM Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Jamaica, NY
Posts: 18
Kilroy, good looking out, I never new Fram had such a bad rep. I will definitly avoid them from now on.

T.Kemp
The Tax Man Commeth!!!
"...I'm sorry Officer, I thought there was a new Speed limit"
dabigdawg is offline  
post #4 of 12 Old 02-01-04, 11:10 AM
Acuraworld Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 9
About the tapping.....

Hey Bud.....I know this is not the answer you want to hear, but the sound you're hearing is most often sediment caught in the hyd. valve lifters. I've got a 96 with 56K on it that kind of does the same thing. Frankly, you can't do much, again change oil regularly, and use a really good filter. Good news though, it shouldn't have any effect on the performance or health of the engine. We've got a couple isuzu troopers that have a very similar head design, and have been making that noise for 150K miles. Still running strong, don't worry too much.
PS Thinner weight oils, 5w-30, etc. are usually better at cleaning out the lifters. Cheers
icarus74 is offline  
post #5 of 12 Old 02-01-04, 08:22 PM
Cruisin'
 
Kilroy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: All Around You
Age: 46
Posts: 149
I also have a Chevy truck and am a member on a Chevy Forum. Guys there swear by an additive called 'Marvel Mystery Oil' to quite any out of the ordinary engine noises and clean lifters and valves. You may want to look into that. Unfortunately, I am in Canada and can't find the product anywhere or I would have used it on my truck as well.
Kilroy is offline  
post #6 of 12 Old 02-02-04, 07:33 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 94
I know there have been stories about Fram, but I believe Honda uses two suppliers for their OEM filters. One has 6 holes and the other has 8. I remember the service person telling me that one of these is made by Fram. The other is made by a Japanese company.

I still get the OEM filters since they cost $5 at my dealership.
WilliamT is offline  
post #7 of 12 Old 02-03-04, 03:42 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: san jose
Posts: 215
i think on acura's owners link, acura suggest that it is normal with their engine to tap. you can try a thicker oil if you cant stand it. try castro 0-30 syntec with the "made in germany" in the back of the bottle.

also if you are using synthetic oil, and change it every 2.5k, you are wasting lots of money. a good dino brand will be as good as any synthetic out there if oil change interval is around 4-5k miles. i use synthetic oil and change it after 8-9k miles. check out bobistheoil.com forum, there are lots of scientific data in the used oil analyst forum.

lastly fram oil filters are no good. here is another proof: http://www.lesabret.com/filters/filter.html
RL me is offline  
post #8 of 12 Old 02-05-04, 08:05 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Age: 65
Posts: 133
I hear it too....

I hear a clicking or tapping when it is really cold and I start my car. At low RPM's the clicking sounds like it could be a dead valve, but it also sounds like my ignition firing. My Trans Am has a multi-spark ignition and that is exactly what the clicking sounds like...so I am not worried. Just what I think...could be wrong....
WhiteAc is offline  
post #9 of 12 Old 02-16-04, 08:18 AM
Acuraworld Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: OH
Age: 38
Posts: 30
Send a message via AIM to bucd
This is concerning the Fram filters.

You guys are talking about the regular Fram filters, what about the Tough Guard filters made by them.

Those are pretty good arent' they?

-D

2000 3.5RL
Black on Black
Navi

Traded in: 2001 CL-S Satin Silver
* Comptech Springs
* Comptech Ice Box
bucd is offline  
post #10 of 12 Old 02-17-04, 08:06 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: san jose
Posts: 215
in general, frams oil filters are not that great, and they re usually too expensive for what they are. i believe fram tough guard uses cardboard end caps, while other brand use metal end caps.

there are many better brand than frams out there. pure one, champion, mobil1, and bosche.

i always use the pure one (6 dollars from pepboy) oil filter and the mobil1 (11 bucks from autozone). these two filters have synthetic filter material and larger filter area for better flow rate.
RL me is offline  
post #11 of 12 Old 02-18-04, 03:59 PM
Old Parts Slinger
 
C25A1guy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Burbank, CA
Age: 32
Posts: 9,605
Garage
Send a message via AIM to C25A1guy
As far as oil filters, I would stay away from USDM Honda filters and Fram. In my RSX, I currently use a filter made by a company called HAMP. They're one of the manifactures of the JDM Honda oil filters and have excellent build quality. I also pay like $10 a filter for the HAMP/JDM Honda filters too. Other recomendations would be the Mobil1 filter and the STP (same filter, just that the STP does not have a waxy coating over the filtering media, both are top notch, but the STP is much cheaper).

-Dean
C25A1guy is offline  
post #12 of 12 Old 02-19-04, 05:00 AM
Acuraworld Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 63
I didnt read all if the replys, so if someone already said this, sorry.
Are you running hig octane fuel? in fot may result in knocking.
Also , icarus is right, thinner oil wieghts will clean better, also may want to try an oil additive
jakethurmond is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Acura Forum : Acura Forums > Luxury Sedans > RL > 1st Gen RL

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Acura Forum : Acura Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome
 

Ad Management plugin by RedTyger