Jeff! I have a problem with my door sills - Acura Forum

JAREKsTLS · 04-01-03, 08:14 PM

Austin519, I borrowed your picture to explain my problem.
At the time I installed door sills I cleaned plastic pieces with ethyl alcohol for about 20-25 minutes. It was 65 degrees outside. It lasted for 3 weeks.
Today, when I tried to get into the car, my leg got caught with the door sill, which later fell off and got bent. When I checked the remaining sills, they easly came out.
I know the problem is with the tape. Check out those sills (borrowed pic from Austin519)

Now look at mine! I got eleven stripes of tape (3M? maybe)

Just PM me, because I have to send it back.

Edub · 04-01-03, 08:28 PM

Moving to AWPV... Jeff will be more likely to see it

Austin519 · 04-01-03, 11:55 PM

JAREKsTLS:
Totally cool...yeah dude ha holy crap...you got a prototype model I believe...he'll totally fix this.

Austin519

stinkboy · 04-02-03, 02:59 PM

ya mine came with all one piece of 3m on the back so it sticks the whole length.

that patchy tape allows water and air to get in between the sill and the plastic sill.

i think you get a new nick name. hey patchy.

craig2003 · 04-02-03, 04:22 PM

Move over Patch Adams!

sssick · 04-02-03, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Austin519
JAREKsTLS:
Totally cool...yeah dude ha holy crap...you got a prototype model I believe...he'll totally fix this.

Austin519

Austin:

My sills have even less tape then those do.

I'll take pics tonight of them.

TunerTL-S · 04-02-03, 04:45 PM

hey austin,,

what do you mean proto-type? mine looks like that too? i thought this was his way for saving cost or cutting corners. so far i dont have any problems but i do notice it feeling kinda spongy when i press on it.....

im not complaining, but i dont want to run into any problems either. you might want to check with all the GB folks i did too. unless we are an exception...

thx

Bangin'TL · 04-02-03, 04:54 PM

yeah i have the same thing on mine......i think they can bend easier like that b/c they have more space between the tape, but oh well i shall find out one day...........

sssick · 04-02-03, 05:14 PM

Well mine already came up, and bent. I know I cleaned it well enough, but it still came up.

sssick · 04-02-03, 09:45 PM

Ok, I got pics of them. Here it is.

TunerTL-S · 04-03-03, 01:27 PM

sssick.

those look exactly like mine.

difinitely not a proto-type.......

jeff/austin,

will all of us eventually run into this issue???

Greg D · 04-03-03, 10:32 PM

Mine has the same small strips of tape whenI installed them. Not one long strip

AP-Signworks · 04-04-03, 12:24 AM

Guys, those sills are not prototype. And it's not to save money either.

Here's why we do the sills like that now. With the old method of full tape, there were problems with sills falling off due to water/dirt being trapped beneath the tape. Due to the ridges in the plastic sill, the tape wasn't getting and "even bite" on the plastic. The parts on the ridges were stuck better than the low parts. We had issues with the sills so messed around with it.

The tape we use now (the strips) is a slightly thicker and higher grade 3M tape (it's not some cheap imitation brand, we only use 3M). We just put pieces on because now those individual pieces are all getting full adhesion to the plastic. We've been doing it for many months now, and have shipped out more of the sills with this style tape than the old full style of taping. We've actually had fewer problems with sills falling off. Some sills are always going to fall off, I thought it would happen less with the TL sills due to the design of the factory sills, but apparently it happens more than all our other models. Don't know why. I think the sill adhesion has more to do with silicone protectants/factory mold release agents, etc. than it does with the tape. We've tested this tape numerous times. And the stuff is incredibly strong. With the amount of tape used on just 1 sill, it will hold down a piece of 1/16" aluminum well enough for us to bend it, and that is applying a lot more force than a foot catching on 1/32" aluminum and not pulling the sill out without damage.

this new way actually costs us a little more. The tape is significanlty more expensive because we can't buy it in the same volume quantity as our dash kit tape, plus it's just more expensive. Also, it takes the guys longer to apply the tape, with the old method we'd just tape a big sheet of metal and cut the sills out of that. Just because there is less tape being used does not mean it costs us any less.

Jarek, email me at apsignworks@hotmail.com I was unable to access this forum all week due to isp problems and the acuraworld server, so now my PM box is full and it would be faster if you'd email. If anyone else has adhesion problems, email me also. Not if you think your sills might be falling off down the line, if there is a problem now.

In the future, we will start sending out adhesion promoters with the sills to help prevent this. Never thought it was necessary since cleaning the plastic should be good enough. But I guess it will be necessary as a preventive measure. This only seems to happen with the higher end cars (ie. Acuras, BMW's, and Lexus). We never get problems with Nissan sills falling off, or Hondas. But we have a horrible time installing kits on Bimmers or Lexus. They must condition your plastic more or something, we haven't figured it out yet.

autoxCLS · 04-04-03, 10:16 AM

Thanks again to Jeff for clearing things up - I for one really appreciate the level of participation and experience you bring to this forum.

Austin519 · 04-06-03, 05:33 PM

AP-Signworks:
Ah...I was totally unaware...that makes sense.

Austin519

04-01-03, 08:14 PM	#1 (permalink)
JAREKsTLS let it burn Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New Jersey Age: 31 Posts: 168	Jeff! I have a problem with my door sills Austin519, I borrowed your picture to explain my problem. At the time I installed door sills I cleaned plastic pieces with ethyl alcohol for about 20-25 minutes. It was 65 degrees outside. It lasted for 3 weeks. Today, when I tried to get into the car, my leg got caught with the door sill, which later fell off and got bent. When I checked the remaining sills, they easly came out. I know the problem is with the tape. Check out those sills (borrowed pic from Austin519) Now look at mine! I got eleven stripes of tape (3M? maybe) Just PM me, because I have to send it back. __________________ 2003 ABP TL-S w/Navi OEM Spoiler 6-LED Blue Bulb Side Door Lights Neuspeed Upper Strut Tie-Bar Chrome Door Sills ACURA TL-S Debadged OEM Body Kit Philips 6000K D2R 5Zigen Copse 18x7.5 (+48) Kumho Ecsta Supra 712 225/45/18 Comptech Exhaust Eibach Sway Bars H&R OE Tokico Blues

04-01-03, 11:55 PM	#3 (permalink)
Austin519 Modalicious... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 5,191 Your Mood: Car 1: The 3.5L TL Type S Car 2: 2008 BMW 335i	JAREKsTLS: Totally cool...yeah dude ha holy crap...you got a prototype model I believe...he'll totally fix this. Austin519 __________________ Back in Action: 2002 Black/Black Acura TL-S Project CarDomain DIY Site and Gallery: http://www.acura-tl.org Current Mods Performance: 3.5L Engine Swap\|JE Forged Pistons\|Cryo Treated Shot Pinged Magnafluxed Rods\|Port And Polish\|5 Degree Valve Job\|Comptech Supercharger and Icebox\|Titanium Transmission With Kevlar Clutches\|Comptech Exhaust,(Jet Hot) Headers,Rear SS Brake Lines,Sways\|Neuspeed Upper Strut Tie Bar\|Rotora Big Brake Kit,Front Brake Lines,Rear Slotted Rotors,Ceramic Brake Pads\|Tein SS Coilovers,EDFC\|Pirelli P-Zero 225x45x17 Tires\|B&M Tranny Cooler\|Redline 5w20/Water Wetter Exterior: Cleared Headlights\|Clear Spoiler Lens\|Silblade Wipers Interior: Custom painted Trim\|Momo Race Shift Knob\|Leather Wrapped Rebuilt Rear Deck\|Plexi/Fiberglass Sub Box\|Plexi/MDF Sub and Computer Enclosures\|Dynamat on everything but the window glass\|Relocated hood release Electronics: Custom computer\|Alpine DVA-9965 Headunit\|Alpine PXA-H701 Processor\|XM Satellite Radio\|Xenarc 7" Widescreen Touchscreen\|Zapco 9.0XD(subs)\|Zapco 4.0X(fronts+kicks)\|Zapco 2.5X(rears+center)\|2 JL 12w7(subs)\|JL XR 650CS(fronts)\|JL XR 650CX(rears)\|JL XR 400CX(center)\|JL XR 525CS(kicks)\|Stinger Wires\|Optima Yellowtop Primary Battery\|Optima Yellowtop Secondary Battery\|200A High Output Alternator\|Solaris 9005 Highbeams\|Razo Fogs\|Custom installed hidden Valentine V1+remote display Security: Hornet 564T 2-Way Alarm\|Addt'l Shock Sensors\|Addt'l Breakage Sensors\|Automatic Up/Down All Windows+Sunroof IntegraVT - "Maybe we can organize a Neosporin® group buy for you."

04-02-03, 04:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
craig2003 Acuraworld Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Philly Age: 35 Posts: 46	Move over Patch Adams! __________________ 2003 Satin Silver TL-S 35% tint - EVEN Spoiler Clear spoiler led (on order) Polk DX-6 front speakers (waiting to be installed) Red Calipers Zymoled every month AEM CAI (amazing) Stone Headers on order

04-02-03, 04:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
TunerTL-S GOT RICE? Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bay Area, "Fremont" Age: 32 Posts: 1,059	hey austin,, what do you mean proto-type? mine looks like that too? i thought this was his way for saving cost or cutting corners. so far i dont have any problems but i do notice it feeling kinda spongy when i press on it..... im not complaining, but i dont want to run into any problems either. you might want to check with all the GB folks i did too. unless we are an exception... thx __________________ http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery...644_p19354.jpg 2002 TL-S w/Navi OEM KIT / AEM CAI Comptech Sways Koni Sports Shocks/HR OE Springs

04-02-03, 04:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
Bangin'TL Colombian style... Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Houston Age: 27 Posts: 900	yeah i have the same thing on mine......i think they can bend easier like that b/c they have more space between the tape, but oh well i shall find out one day........... __________________ 2000 TL -plenty mods-

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04-01-03, 08:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
Edub That's my girl Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Bay Area, CA Age: 31 Posts: 3,069	Moving to AWPV... Jeff will be more likely to see it

04-02-03, 02:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
stinkboy token ring Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: milton, florida Age: 43 Posts: 6,735 Car 1: 04 bmw 330i zhp Car 2: 06 350Z roadster Car 3: 05 surburban&sierra 2500	ya mine came with all one piece of 3m on the back so it sticks the whole length. that patchy tape allows water and air to get in between the sill and the plastic sill. i think you get a new nick name. hey patchy.

04-02-03, 05:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
sssick Mutt Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Staten Island Age: 27 Posts: 5,266	Well mine already came up, and bent. I know I cleaned it well enough, but it still came up. __________________ 2003 TL-S ABP Navi *Click here for pics* http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery...486_p17198.jpg

04-02-03, 09:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
sssick Mutt Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Staten Island Age: 27 Posts: 5,266	Ok, I got pics of them. Here it is. Attached Images __________________ 2003 TL-S ABP Navi *Click here for pics* http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery...486_p17198.jpg

04-03-03, 01:27 PM	#11 (permalink)
TunerTL-S GOT RICE? Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Bay Area, "Fremont" Age: 32 Posts: 1,059	sssick. those look exactly like mine. difinitely not a proto-type....... jeff/austin, will all of us eventually run into this issue??? __________________ http://www.acurainspired.com/gallery...644_p19354.jpg 2002 TL-S w/Navi OEM KIT / AEM CAI Comptech Sways Koni Sports Shocks/HR OE Springs

04-03-03, 10:32 PM	#12 (permalink)
Greg D Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 753	Mine has the same small strips of tape whenI installed them. Not one long strip

04-04-03, 12:24 AM	#13 (permalink)
AP-Signworks Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Age: 29 Posts: 247	Guys, those sills are not prototype. And it's not to save money either. Here's why we do the sills like that now. With the old method of full tape, there were problems with sills falling off due to water/dirt being trapped beneath the tape. Due to the ridges in the plastic sill, the tape wasn't getting and "even bite" on the plastic. The parts on the ridges were stuck better than the low parts. We had issues with the sills so messed around with it. The tape we use now (the strips) is a slightly thicker and higher grade 3M tape (it's not some cheap imitation brand, we only use 3M). We just put pieces on because now those individual pieces are all getting full adhesion to the plastic. We've been doing it for many months now, and have shipped out more of the sills with this style tape than the old full style of taping. We've actually had fewer problems with sills falling off. Some sills are always going to fall off, I thought it would happen less with the TL sills due to the design of the factory sills, but apparently it happens more than all our other models. Don't know why. I think the sill adhesion has more to do with silicone protectants/factory mold release agents, etc. than it does with the tape. We've tested this tape numerous times. And the stuff is incredibly strong. With the amount of tape used on just 1 sill, it will hold down a piece of 1/16" aluminum well enough for us to bend it, and that is applying a lot more force than a foot catching on 1/32" aluminum and not pulling the sill out without damage. this new way actually costs us a little more. The tape is significanlty more expensive because we can't buy it in the same volume quantity as our dash kit tape, plus it's just more expensive. Also, it takes the guys longer to apply the tape, with the old method we'd just tape a big sheet of metal and cut the sills out of that. Just because there is less tape being used does not mean it costs us any less. Jarek, email me at apsignworks@hotmail.com I was unable to access this forum all week due to isp problems and the acuraworld server, so now my PM box is full and it would be faster if you'd email. If anyone else has adhesion problems, email me also. Not if you think your sills might be falling off down the line, if there is a problem now. In the future, we will start sending out adhesion promoters with the sills to help prevent this. Never thought it was necessary since cleaning the plastic should be good enough. But I guess it will be necessary as a preventive measure. This only seems to happen with the higher end cars (ie. Acuras, BMW's, and Lexus). We never get problems with Nissan sills falling off, or Hondas. But we have a horrible time installing kits on Bimmers or Lexus. They must condition your plastic more or something, we haven't figured it out yet.

04-04-03, 10:16 AM	#14 (permalink)
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04-06-03, 05:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
Austin519 Modalicious... Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 5,191 Your Mood: Car 1: The 3.5L TL Type S Car 2: 2008 BMW 335i	AP-Signworks: Ah...I was totally unaware...that makes sense. Austin519 __________________ Back in Action: 2002 Black/Black Acura TL-S Project CarDomain DIY Site and Gallery: http://www.acura-tl.org Current Mods Performance: 3.5L Engine Swap\|JE Forged Pistons\|Cryo Treated Shot Pinged Magnafluxed Rods\|Port And Polish\|5 Degree Valve Job\|Comptech Supercharger and Icebox\|Titanium Transmission With Kevlar Clutches\|Comptech Exhaust,(Jet Hot) Headers,Rear SS Brake Lines,Sways\|Neuspeed Upper Strut Tie Bar\|Rotora Big Brake Kit,Front Brake Lines,Rear Slotted Rotors,Ceramic Brake Pads\|Tein SS Coilovers,EDFC\|Pirelli P-Zero 225x45x17 Tires\|B&M Tranny Cooler\|Redline 5w20/Water Wetter Exterior: Cleared Headlights\|Clear Spoiler Lens\|Silblade Wipers Interior: Custom painted Trim\|Momo Race Shift Knob\|Leather Wrapped Rebuilt Rear Deck\|Plexi/Fiberglass Sub Box\|Plexi/MDF Sub and Computer Enclosures\|Dynamat on everything but the window glass\|Relocated hood release Electronics: Custom computer\|Alpine DVA-9965 Headunit\|Alpine PXA-H701 Processor\|XM Satellite Radio\|Xenarc 7" Widescreen Touchscreen\|Zapco 9.0XD(subs)\|Zapco 4.0X(fronts+kicks)\|Zapco 2.5X(rears+center)\|2 JL 12w7(subs)\|JL XR 650CS(fronts)\|JL XR 650CX(rears)\|JL XR 400CX(center)\|JL XR 525CS(kicks)\|Stinger Wires\|Optima Yellowtop Primary Battery\|Optima Yellowtop Secondary Battery\|200A High Output Alternator\|Solaris 9005 Highbeams\|Razo Fogs\|Custom installed hidden Valentine V1+remote display Security: Hornet 564T 2-Way Alarm\|Addt'l Shock Sensors\|Addt'l Breakage Sensors\|Automatic Up/Down All Windows+Sunroof IntegraVT - "Maybe we can organize a Neosporin® group buy for you."

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