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hybrid differentiation

i'm posting from my treo right now so there are some limitations that come with typing on a tiny keyboard and only being able to see a few words at a time...


I just had the opportunity to test out two production hybrids (accord hybrid and prius) and a production prototype hybrid (can't say right now... due out later this year)... all three of these hybrids are different...

the prius gives you the impression of a purpose built commuter car with its emphasis on fuel economy... even its futuristic/edgy/european shape seems to suggest fuel economy... any misgivings I had about its looks and on paper performance numbers disappeared after driving it... it is a fairly roomy car, at least legroom wise, and feels peppier than it is. perhaps one of the industries best keyless entry systems adds to the futuristic experience; and so does an "on" button to turn everything on and a second push to start the engine, all with the "key" in your pocket... oh, and an arcade joy stick gear select and busy on screen graphics add to that futuristic experience too.
the silent electric motor start of movement gives you a feeling of being in a golf cart. and the small jerk of the engine turning off at stop light is somewhat disconcerting for a hybrid novice like me.

the accord hybrid is a different kind of car...it is a more conventional driving experience... in fact besides the few indicators inside, they isn't much indication of being in a hybrid... the car is much more powerfull than the four cyl accord and definitly feels stronger than even the V6... that can certainly be attributed to the assist form the torquey electric motors. I don't have data on it, but my rear end dyno says that thaccord hybrid will give the 270HP acuraTL (similar sized FWD sedan and a benchmark for performance in its class IMO) a run for its money. in a way, the accord hybrid uses the technology in a different way... it is a way to move the accord up market in power/performance, and honda's pricing reflects that.

the third hybrid I tried won't be available till later this year... and I think there is a press blackout/embargo right now, so to be safe, I won't mention what it is...
it, like the accord hybrid, is a higher level trim version of its non-hybrid counterparts. and also like the accord, provides a more conventional driving experience. the main differnce between this hybrid and the accord hybrid is that this one is a psuedo 4WD... it has motors driving the rear wheels, while the engine only drives the front... this layout turns out to be quite effective... those torquey electric motors are very good at providing both extra traction via the rear wheels and additional boost for peppy acceleration...

my thumbs are cramping up from typing on my pda, so ill post more later... including pictures

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that's a lot of typing on a small keyboard like that!

can't wait to see some pics! good review
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RDX WITH HYBRID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

or RL

or TL?????????????????????????

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omg omg omg so excited.......................

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hehe... the production prototype hybrid I drove was not an Acura product.

I may have said too much

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Lexus 330h

At least, that's the config it's supposed to have.
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I don't know if I can show pics of the mystery hybrid yet... so, even tho there are tons of them around, here is a bunch of pics of the Prius...

keep in mind that it is hard to get decent pics at 9:30PM without a real tripod...




In-N-Out burger in the background






really not that bad looking... kinda Citroen meets CRX.






the shape that helps save gas.






can't have a picture of the Prius without some plants in the frame.
Plants=environmentally friendly






not much to see in the engine compartment...basically all the maintenance items (air filter, fluid containers, and dip sticks) are placed within easy view/reach... and everything else is tucked away...





part car, part video game... the "joy stick" selector on lower dash, on/start button on upper dash, and one of the many graphical menus available to dazzle your passengers... the driver should keep his/her eyes on the road... most functions (including climate control) can be adjusted via the myriad buttons on the steering wheel... kinda overwhelming, but as with video games, with a little practice, you will be an expert in no time.


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Lexus 330h

At least, that's the config it's supposed to have.
nope... not the RX hybrid, but close...


I've said too much again.

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Side note:


the shopping center parking lot that I stopped at to take pictures, had some sort of impromptu, young person (mainly guys) car gathering... there were easily a couple hundred cars parked and/or cruising around the lot...



looks silly to me now, but I remember doing the same sort of thing in High School (a long time ago)...

didn't see any illegal street racing break out while I was there, but there were a few vehicles participating in a sort of burn out competition...



It appears that the police dispersed the crowd later in the evening while I was conducting my street evaluations of the hybrid vehicles in the neighboring roads...

I discovered that the group had reconvened at another parking lot a few miles from the original spot...

Silly kids!

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wait...not 400h...not acura...

So...toyota highlander or...honda pilot..

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hybrids are a big thing here, but in europe....well, they're just not well received. why? diesel engines. a similar sized diesel car as the prius will get over 70 mpg, and have a bit more oopmh...it's a tough sell for them to grasp the big deal when you're getting such high fuel economy. the "green" factor doesn't come into play much sadly.
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hybrids are a big thing here, but in europe....well, they're just not well received. why? diesel engines. a similar sized diesel car as the prius will get over 70 mpg, and have a bit more oopmh...it's a tough sell for them to grasp the big deal when you're getting such high fuel economy. the "green" factor doesn't come into play much sadly.
it's true...
in a way hybrids are a marketing device... Europes has had sky high (compared to the US) gas prices for decades, so you would think they would have more incentives to go hybrid, but fact of the matter is, the mpg benefits of a hybrid are not that much better than what a diesel can provide... that and also diesels were the prevailing technology for fuel economy in the past. the US just never had the incentive to make the switch to diesel... I remember some of the complaints for early adoption of diesel was polution issues and performance handicap, compared to regular gasoline, and, get this, reduced availability! if we really had diesel availability issues, then we wouldn't have any goods shipped by truck to every corner of the country... that was just a rediculous excuse if we got on the diesel band wagon, every station in the country would carry diesel... it's no harder to carry than having 3 separate octane ratings (although I think mid grade octane does not necessarily have to be carried by truck... I think it can be mixed at the delivery site).

there are some great diesel cars available now... mercedes e-class turbo diesel is a great vehicle, with little compromises.

besides diesels, we've has electric vehicles and CNG vehicles make their attempts in this market... and it seems that the US is simply too particular to accept change... the hybid's one benefit over these guys, is that they can use the installed base of gas stations that are available across the country... kinda silly IMO.

Silverado has a hybrid version too.

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The Prius isn't that bad looking of a car, for what it is made for. I like the frontend, even though I do not like that stlye of headlights. The rear is fugly, and I think is due in part to the horendous tailights that Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, etc have adapted.

I hope something more environmentally friendly comes around soon; one that is affordable. The manufacturers are being pushed ( I think ) by the government, so hopefully it will happen.
Deisel isn't bad, but we need to get away from gas. Away from fossil fuel as much as possible. I'm not all conspiracy theory, but I cannot believe we still use the combustion engine...
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Well... unfortunately I am not an automotive journalist, and as such, it is not my job to write random reviews... so it turns out that when things get busy for me, I have to prioritize and things like enthused ramblings have to be put on the back burner.

I really had a fun time with the mystery hybrid, and I would love to share the experience... but, it is just as well that I don't have the time, because I'm thinking that I will wait for the upcoming launch of the Lexus RX hybrid, before I reveal the hybrid I drove... I may have said too much again.

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