FTM-1 said:I would purchase ACURA again this is the 4th car that I purchased brand new.
The other 3 before the TL were HONDA models 1980 Prelude, 90 ACCORD, 94 ACCORD. I wish ACURA would get up to speed with putting the newer features in the cars a little faster. I love the HID headlights in my car I do alot of night road driving. I would like to see the Night Vision setup like on the new Benz. ACURA already has been testing it so what are they waiting for. Also put out a Gas/Electric hybrid RL/TL & other models. They could put AWD in other models like TL & TSX. Everybody does not want a MDX Suv just to get AWD.
I agree with everything you've stated here. As for the last paragraph, keep on dreamin'. :bash:TampaTL said:I think it is simply the marketing approach each manufacturer decides upon to identify themselves from each other.
Although there is fierce competition to 'one up' each other, and they will follow the buyers demands, ulltimately if they did not make clear decisions as to what to manufacture uniquely, then all cars and manufactuers would be the same.
My personal observations with Toyota and Lexus has been focused on the refinement / reliablility of their vehicles. Most of the newer technology has been added by competitive pressure more than by trying to be leading edge. I personally like that Toyota / Lexus tend to deliver it right, tried and true (not all cases, obviously). I call Camrys 'refrigerators on wheels'. Like an appliance, just plug em in, and they work. Lexus takes the refinement to the nth degree and where comfortable adds technology to be market competitive.
With Honda / Acura, the value and content (along with reliability) seems to be more of their approach. I find Hondas 'smart', well balanced value, performance, efficiency, safety, reliability, etc. Acura is well into the technology race with the TL being a dramatic statement of that philosophy. I don't find Honda / Acura as refined as Toyota/Lexus, but I find them more technologically advanced, more edgey and lean more towards engines & performance than Toyota / Lexus.
I also believe all manufacturers are slipping on quality. I believe there is more a race of content and new technology to impress the buyer (while riding on a reputation of quality). 10 years ago, it was ALL about quality in brand reputation. Today you hear more about the newest features, content, performance and value. The references of quality seem to be based on historic reputation. If the focus is to stuff as mutch gadgetry in the vehicle impresses the buyer, then maybe a slight in quality will go unnoticed? I do know a rattle in my TL is noticed and it does affect my perception of a 'premium' brand & quality.
Obviously, the race to add content does not typically allow for this technology to be optimumly integrated or tried and true. It opens the door for quality issues (at least a perception of quality). Technology is impressive, but in our leading edge thirst, it may not be reliable. An IT associate of mine often reminds me that leading edge technology is fragile. An interesting paradox I see affecting our automobiles (including high tech assembly).
But like most people, I want it all. I want the edginess off the TL. I want all the wizbang features. I also want my interior assembled by Lexus (for the Acura price)! :uhh:
Thanks for that wakeup call General! <saluting> :wavey:The General said:I agree with everything you've stated here. As for the last paragraph, keep on dreamin'. :bash:
That was the FIRST time I have EVER been told I was right! <marking desktop calendar>...bralio said:To answer your question Enigma, yes I have driven a Lexus - but I've not owned one, no.
And I most certainly have to agree with TampaTL's comments as well
A) because he's right, and
B) because he's local
#1. This forum is biased because we are Acura/ TL lovers so the numbers are inflated. If you account for the lump of the REAL population, this number would be below 50%... way below 50%budman231 said:I am happy to see that the 80/20 rule applies here. If 8 out of 10 owners would buy Acura again that says something about the brand. I agree that no car/brand is perfect. One person's dream is on another persons "Don't Buy" list. So far I'm very happy with my 05 TL. I think most cars made these days will be good to you if you take care of it with proper Maintenance asthetically and mechanically. My cars always look thousands of miles newer than they are. Usually the body style changes tip people off to how old my car is, not the appearance inside or out.
So far I think Acura is a great brand. It's not perfect but overall it's a joy to drive. The dealer I go to is awesome so that makes the whole experience even better. Happy Driving...
It's called a halo car first of all.nastinupe1 said:Yea... Acura is below Huandi, Kia, Chevy, Ford, Dodge, and suprisingly Land Rover and Jaguar.
The only LUXURY car brands that rate below Acura are Infiniti and Saab. That is amazing considering that Acura is a Honda product.
Acura really needs to spruce up their image. The RL needs to be a better car and their customer service really needs to improve. Acura also needs a "dream car". A car that everyone loves that is not so hardcore like the NSX was. Lexus has the SC, which every woman adores and Infiniti has the GS Coupe. Caddy has the Escalade, BMW has the 6 Convertible, Mercedes has the SL and CLS, Audi doesn't have one.
I think that the next RL needs to be larger than life. A car bigger than an LS and S and 7. A read head turner. Something so technologically advanced that people will love it once they enter it. VW tried to do this with the Phateon and failed miserabily because it was the little brother to Audi which already had a car called the A8, but this is difference because its' Acura and not Honda. Acura could pull this off because Honda is a car company that has a lot of people who make 6 figure salaries purchase thier vehichles. Honda customers usually buy WAY below their means because they just don't feel like spending more. But what if Honda convinced them that they should? What if Honda introduced a car with a V6 Hybrid engine that got 40 MPG and had 350 hp? What if Honda introduced new technology in this car like a Navi system that used 3d imaging from sattlite photos to guide you instead of colored lines? What if Honda made a car with a built in MP3 player and a computer that you could talk to and recognized you by your voice and weight? What if this computer knew your personal settings? What if this computer could drive for you while you slept? What if the car had night vision built into the windows? What if the car had break resistant glass? What if this car had all of these great things!!! Acura needs to think ahead and make a car so advanced that it would go against Rolls Royce and Bently but cost 1/3 the price. A car so wonderful that it would be considered the best car ever made, the most technologically advanced car ever made, the car of the future, the polomarch of all cars to come. Light years ahead of anything out there. Safety measures like foam instead of airbags, roll over bars that pop out of the car to stop the car from being smashed, chemicals that mix into the gas tank in a bad accident to neutralize and change the chemical composition of the gas so that it won't explode, I could go on forever.
I know that its called a "halo" car, and I know about the successor to the NSX, but like I said above, Acura's "halo" car does not need to be so hard core like the NSX is. The NSX is for an EXTREMELY small nitch of consumers. I would like Acura's Halo car to be a car that everyone would like to see in their garage, but just can't afford it.spyder5786 said:It's called a halo car first of all.
And Acura will have one in '08, supposedly. The v10 NSX successor.
Arlington Acura in Palatine, I usually talk to Devon and my car is worked on by a tech named Matt, nothing but outstanding service, no questions asked.TLS 66 said:MVR 155 where do you get your service done at, i live in Arlington hts and not happy with my dealer.
I went to Woodfield before I bought my 03 TL-S, I wanted to drive a 6 speed and an auto back to back for comparison, the sales people there seemed too busy sitting on thier asses doing nothing instead of helping me.TLS 66 said:Thanks ,i got my car from Mullers woodfield a 2002 TLS , and at the 24 month check they told me the battery was bad, Ya right 12000 miles never ran the battery down. Well it's over 4 years old same battery still going strong, i don't trust those people. Palatine thats Bob Rorrman right?