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Okay...I installed my SPC rear camber control arms. No instructions from me...I'll let Austin519 handle that.:D

For those of you interested in the SPC rear camber control arm, please note that if you run 225 or wider tires and your car is lowered you will run into rubbing problems in the rear.

In my last post you may have seen pics after my Teins were installed. The pics were before the camber arms were installed. With the excessive negative camber present the tires would tuck into the wheel well with my Teins (this situation was also the case when I had H&R Sports). It was visibly apparent that if I wanted to install the camber arms i would have to raise the vehicle in the rear since the camber arm would push the top of my wheel outward to correct the negative camber problem.

So today my car was raised in the rear to the height that approximates the height of the H&R Sports, about 1.7" inches (nevermind what H&R says about 1.5" since these springs were designed for the lighter CG Accord 4Cyl.). The SPC camber arms were installed. Then my car went in for an alignment and the difference in camber was visible and I was worried that my rear tires would still rub. Sure enough they did but only when going up a driveway or making a hard turn when the load shifts to the rear opposite corner.

So I am going to cut the plastic tab in the wheel well that was mentioned before to see if that will alleviate the problem. From the markings I don't think that will be enough. I may have to get my fenders rolled which won't be that big of a deal. Paying $100 to get my rear fenders rolled is still cheaper than getting new tires from excessive inner wear regardless of rotating front to back and having the tires dismounted and remounted on the other side. I'm just worried that when the fenders are rolled the paint will crack...the correct way to have the fenders rolled is to have them rolled and the fenders re-painted and blended but it costs a grip.

Will keep you guys posted...

By the way, my Volk III's wheels are 18x7.5 +49 offset with 225/40/18 tires...well within the tolerances we've seen with lowering and not fixing the rear camber problem.
 

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The SPC rear camber control arms are SOLID...high quality stuff. They are complete replacements for the upper control arm in the rear suspension. They use a turnbuckle mechanism to adjust camber. They were certainly hefty and that visible negative camber in the rear was completely gone...no more crabbing and inner tire wear for me.:)
 

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What's the offset of your rims and the size of your tires? Did you rub w/ the H&Rs? Did you have a system in your trunk? I know so many questions. But I want to go lower and I'm already rubbing w/ people in the back w/ the H&Rs. I'm also thinking about getting the camber kit also which might make things worse.

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kobe98 said:
What's the offset of your rims and the size of your tires? Did you rub w/ the H&Rs? Did you have a system in your trunk? I know so many questions. But I want to go lower and I'm already rubbing w/ people in the back w/ the H&Rs. I'm also thinking about getting the camber kit also which might make things worse.

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Read above in my original post.

I did not rub with the H&R sports. This was due to the excessive negative camber in the rear. With load in the rear applied, the wheels would tuck into the wheel well without rubbing...there would be a greater negative camber thereby making the top of the wheels go further into the well. Now that I have neutral camber upon load, the wheel/tire goes straight up relatively speaking hitting the lip of the fender.
 

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Read above in my original post.

I did not rub with the H&R sports. This was due to the excessive negative camber in the rear. With load in the rear applied, the wheels would tuck into the wheel well without rubbing...there would be a greater negative camber thereby making the top of the wheels go further into the well. Now that I have neutral camber upon load, the wheel/tire goes straight up relatively speaking hitting the lip of the fender.
Perhaps with the camber kit installed, an offset of maybe +45 would be more in order? Not totally sure, but the high +49 offset may set the wheels/tires out too far with the proper camber kit on. Perhaps some of the "gurus" on suspensions/tires can address that better than me.....just a thought.
 

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Perhaps with the camber kit installed, an offset of maybe +45 would be more in order? Not totally sure, but the high +49 offset may set the wheels/tires out too far with the proper camber kit on. Perhaps some of the "gurus" on suspensions/tires can address that better than me.....just a thought.
A +49 offset on a 7.5" wide wheel goes IN further into the wheel well than a +45 wheel meaning that the +45 wheel would stick out further. Remember our stock wheels are 6.5" wide with a +55 offset which go into the wheel well even further than a 7.5" wide +49 offset wheel.

Unfortunately for aftermarket wheels in 18 or 19" diameters you aren't going to find wheel less than 7.5" wide so you have to go with the highest offset possible. There aren't many aftermarket wheels with an offset greater than +49.
 

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A +49 offset on a 7.5" wide wheel goes IN further into the wheel well than a +45 wheel meaning that the +45 wheel would stick out further. Remember our stock wheels are 6.5" wide with a +55 offset which go into the wheel well even further than a 7.5" wide +49 offset wheel.

Unfortunately for aftermarket wheels in 18 or 19" diameters you aren't going to find wheel less than 7.5" wide so you have to go with the highest offset possible. There aren't many aftermarket wheels with an offset greater than +49.
Ok...I had it bass ackwards....:wired: You might be able to have your wheels machined relatively safely out to about 52mm. That might save you from having to roll your fenders...
 

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how come everybody gets rear camber kits? I wear pretty even in the rear......my problem is with the front tires I went through 4....yes I said four.......sets of tires in 9 months:eek: :eek: untill I got my 19's..........my car wasnt even that low it sat right ontop of the tire.......now I have about a 2 finger gap because I cant afford 19" tires every 2-3 months........since I have raised the car the tire wear in the front is better.....but it still wears :mad: :cry: .......is anybody else having this problem?


how long do tires last you guys and how low are your cars?:)
 

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A +49 offset on a 7.5" wide wheel goes IN further into the wheel well than a +45 wheel meaning that the +45 wheel would stick out further. Remember our stock wheels are 6.5" wide with a +55 offset which go into the wheel well even further than a 7.5" wide +49 offset wheel.

Unfortunately for aftermarket wheels in 18 or 19" diameters you aren't going to find wheel less than 7.5" wide so you have to go with the highest offset possible. There aren't many aftermarket wheels with an offset greater than +49.
Jimster, I thinking of getting some wheels in the future (if $ comes available that is). The wheel I'm interested in comes in 18x8, with a +51 offset. If I get a camber kit (not necessarily what you got), would I have any problems with rubbing with the fender lip or the suspension? BTW, tires will probably be 225-40-18, and I'm currently dropped with H&R race springs (2.2" front, 1.75" rear). Thanks in advance!
 

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how come everybody gets rear camber kits? I wear pretty even in the rear......my problem is with the front tires I went through 4....yes I said four.......sets of tires in 9 months:eek: :eek: untill I got my 19's..........my car wasnt even that low it sat right ontop of the tire.......now I have about a 2 finger gap because I cant afford 19" tires every 2-3 months........since I have raised the car the tire wear in the front is better.....but it still wears :mad: :cry: .......is anybody else having this problem?


how long do tires last you guys and how low are your cars?:)
Did you get a wheel alignment done? If no, that would explain premature tire wear. Also, what kind of rubber are you using? When I had my Yokohama A008 tires on my old car, they only lasted like 9 months. If you get high performance tires with high tire wear...well you pay for what you get (great performance and handling, but at a substantial cost in replacing them). Maybe you can switch to something that is a bit less performance, but higher tire wear so it lasts longer? Also your driving habits will dictate tire wear. If you drive and corner hard all the time, you can expect to have higher tire wear. You could perhaps drive a bit less aggressively, and it can save you some extra $. Just my $0.02 cents.
 

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Jimster, I thinking of getting some wheels in the future (if $ comes available that is). The wheel I'm interested in comes in 18x8, with a +51 offset. If I get a camber kit (not necessarily what you got), would I have any problems with rubbing with the fender lip or the suspension? BTW, tires will probably be 225-40-18, and I'm currently dropped with H&R race springs (2.2" front, 1.75" rear). Thanks in advance!
From what I'm seeing you will definitely have problems especially with the Race Springs since you can't adjust height anyways. With the 8" wide wheels with a +51mm offset. The difference in offset between your wheels and my wheels is only 2mm while the difference in width of the wheels is .5" or 12.7mm. Basically this means my wheels have about 1.83" inches from the hub to the outer lip while yours will have almost exactly 2" which equals about a bit less than 3/16" farther out than my wheels.
 

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patrick said:


Jimster, I thinking of getting some wheels in the future (if $ comes available that is). The wheel I'm interested in comes in 18x8, with a +51 offset. If I get a camber kit (not necessarily what you got), would I have any problems with rubbing with the fender lip or the suspension? BTW, tires will probably be 225-40-18, and I'm currently dropped with H&R race springs (2.2" front, 1.75" rear). Thanks in advance!
Hows the wear on your tires with that drop? Thanks
 

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Hows the wear on your tires with that drop? Thanks
It's OK, still got lots of tread left. Mind you I don't drive very aggressive, so it helps. Oh, and I do rotate my tires so I have tire wear that is more even.
 

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From what I'm seeing you will definitely have problems especially with the Race Springs since you can't adjust height anyways. With the 8" wide wheels with a +51mm offset. The difference in offset between your wheels and my wheels is only 2mm while the difference in width of the wheels is .5" or 12.7mm. Basically this means my wheels have about 1.83" inches from the hub to the outer lip while yours will have almost exactly 2" which equals about a bit less than 3/16" farther out than my wheels.
Hmm...interesting. So what you are saying is that if I want to get these 18x8 rims, I can't get the camber kit. The wheel needs negative camber in order to fit. Correct me if I'm wrong?
 

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Hmm...interesting. So what you are saying is that if I want to get these 18x8 rims, I can't get the camber kit. The wheel needs negative camber in order to fit. Correct me if I'm wrong?
Yes...that's what I'm saying. You could roll your fenders or deal with the negative camber. Craptastic situation from what I see now. But i haven't cut that plastic tab off yet to see if that's the only part rubbing but like i said before i don't think that'll be enough.:)
 

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Yes...that's what I'm saying. You could roll your fenders or deal with the negative camber. Craptastic situation from what I see now. But i haven't cut that plastic tab off yet to see if that's the only part rubbing but like i said before i don't think that'll be enough.:)
OK, thanks! Keep us informed.
 
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